Wilfred

The Kool Kat: So the first question I want to ask you would be

Question 1

What's your most unexpected party trick

Wilfred: my unexpected party trick ?

The Kool Kat: yeah

Wilfred: shi i dont know

The Kool Kat: Take your time… cookin up beats?

Wilfred: something to pull out of the party man i feel like i mean i'm only 24 but i feel like if i'm like i go to

the party and i'm like hey i can do this you know what i mean i feel like people would be like you're just

weirdo doing a little trick but i really don't know i feel like

A Former Kool Kat: Maybe something unexpected you used to do at events? or something that you think

you do to hype up the crowd?

Wilfred: im so bad at that kind of thing when im djing i do not go on the microphone like i just go like “YES

PEOPLE WHAT YOU SAYING” i dont really jump on the mic i just sort of play my tunes

The Kool Kat: are you the kind of guy to pull up to a party with a guitar and just start singing

Wilfred: yeah yeah potenitally maybe in uni but not anymore

The Kool Kat: What's your go-to song to play in a party?

Wilfred: What, on, like, guitar or on, like, decks?

The Kool Kat: Guitar, guitar, guitar.

Wilfred: Oh, my God.

The Kool Kat:Take your time, man, take your time.

Wilfred: Probably a King Krule one maybe an out getting one like that I don't know yeah I like the

production in that tunes

The Kool Kat: I think the best cover is in all of music in my opinion but it's differnt convo for a differnt dayA former

kool kat: he's great what's your favourite King Kool song?

Wilfred: I've listened to him for so long, you know, I feel like there are some tunes that like, I don't know if

you know, he's like Edgar the Beatmaker stuff from like back in the day. He's got like a couple of aliases

where he used to make like more electronic music and even like the Archie Marshall album. I feel like

There's one called 7am Spock Salmon, under his Egg of the Beatmaker thing, and I feel like that's pretty

influential for me. That was before I was even listening to J Dilla, but that pillar bounce on them tunes

through that, that was pretty influential. I'd say that's definitely one of my favourites.

The Kool Kat: Would you say that he got you into music?

Wilfred: Who got me into music? King Krule?. No, I was definitely already loving tunes by that point. I'd say

that was more like my dad, to be fair.

Former Kool Kat steps up to the mic

Question 3

Could you tell us a bit about your upbringing, where you grew up and maybe a specific memory to

this area?

Wilfred: Yeah, no, I mean, I grew up in Blackburn, which is like northwest, it's like Lancashire. It's a

northwest of... You say northwest of the country, it's like above Manchester a bit. Do you know Blackpool?

A former kool kat: Yeah, yeah.

Wilfred: It's kind of in between Manchester and Blackpool.

A former kool kat: Oh, interesting.

Wilfred: So it's like, I don't know, it's like one of them satellite towns. I kind of try and... I definitely don't, it

sort of gave me a unique experience in a lot of things because it is sort of out of the way and it's not

anywhere. And even in like terms of being like a city, it's sort of tucked away and it's on the microcosm of

like culture. And you say culture, but Blackburn is such like a big melting pot of different sort of religions

and races and cultures. It's sort of, you do, you pick up and learn different things like, I don't know. I see a

lot of stuff going on now and a lot of the attitude is towards it. And normally from an older generation. And I

feel like people from my generation are more accepting of certain things, you know, and it's all kind of mad

up there. And it's like I've kind of fluctuated and living there again this past year. And it's sort of been it's

been cool going back and seeing everything.

A former kool kat: Yeah.

Wilfred: But it is still a satellite town, you know, it's sort of around a bigger city and it doesn't get much love

and it's not really, my mum and dad have said it's gone downhill since they were younger and that kind of

thing. It's, it's, it shapes you like, it's given me a unique outlook on music and things like that. Definitelyshaped me growing up as a teenager, like skateboarding in the town centre and things like that. Yeah.

Music through that in the street where, yeah.

The Kool Kat: Yeah. Okay, that's fair

Question 4

Would you ever consider living back there, like full time or like moving somewhere else later in life?

Wilfred:Well, I kind of, so I moved out of Leeds about... A year ago, a year and a bit ago, back to

Blackburn. And then I quickly moved into Preston for a bit throughout the last summer. And then I moved

back home for a bit. And now I'm moving back to Leeds. So in that time, I've kind of spent the past year

being back home and living there full time, you know, because Preston is only next to Blackburn. It's like a

20 minute bus ride. It's only really, they're very similar. Preston's a city, Blackburn's a town. They are quite

similar. But, yeah, While I was there, I did manage to find, even through it being its own little individual

place, and having certain mindsets and cultures that are, in my eyes, backwards, there were a good group

of, a small community of people, even in a small place like that, that were really switched on to good little

nooks and crannies of the world. I was fortunate enough to... Meet a friend of mine, Tom, who now runs a

clothing shop in town.

The Kool Kat: SICK

Wilfred: Specialises in vintage Stone Island and Adidas and sportswear, that kind of thing. And he was

kind enough to let me use his shop as a studio for a good few months.

A former kool kat: WOWWWWWW

Wilfred:I've moved out of there now, but from like January to sort of now-ish, I was sort of working out of

his studio. And it was really good because I'd sort of go through the town at night, I'd go to the gym and go

to the studio and just get on with things. It was a good place for me to really just blast music and not worry

about sounds or people being upset about that. And it did allow me to sort of see... A lot of this town again

and seeing it from when I was a child to moving away for like six years and coming back again and viewing

it with the eyes of like an adult, it felt a lot different, but it was like, I don't think it is somewhere I would

move back full time.

The Kool Kat:Fair enough

A former kool kat: oh okay

Wilfred: I think it has been sort of sadly abandoned by certain like that community of people are great.

They run a little, well obviously Tom had his shop in town. He's now moved to another town with that shop.

There are like people from there that do just across the shop was like an art space, like an art gallery. And

there were like different people who put really interesting exhibitions on there from time to time. But yeah,

Apart from that, I definitely wouldn't move back there.

The Kool Kat: Okay. Fair enough. It's kind of unrelated, but

Question 5

do you think having a close-minded view on life would, like, negatively impact your music or

positively impact your music?

Wilfred: Definitely negatively, man. I feel like A lot of my friends, people that I grew up with, they had quite

close-minded opinions on different things. And it was very prevalent as soon as they got out of their little

bubble in Blackburn, Lancashire. As soon as they got out of that into the big wide world, they were very

quickly met with real people who had real opinions and it wasn't just an echo chamber of them and the

friends and it was very to me seeing how they sort of went into those situations it was very evident very

quickly that they needed to change not needed to change but just weren't

The Kool Kat: Like, needed to grow up and mature?

Wilfred: like their closed-mindedness wasn't going to allow them to be like very functional in this and in this

in like general communities and societies like it was yeah So no, I really think it would not be impactful on,

would not be positively impactful on music having a closed mind.

The Kool Kat: That’s fair i feel the same way i think im a smart guy but knowing more every single day will

lead you to a better path in life and in general wheater its music or life wheather its people that you fuck

with or you dont like having an open mind opens your doors in so many ways you cant even imagine

The Kool Kat: I want to ask you a question again. I have a load for you, actually. (pause)

Wilfred: That's all right, man. Yeah, that's what I'm here for.

Question 6

What's the most complicated aspect of your job that most people won't realise or ever, like, you

know, I guess, imagine that you go through?

Wilfred: Okay. In terms of the music stuff, I'd say it's definitely... Being somebody that works in like, you

can say the UK grime space and UK hip hop space, there are definitely pockets of people that also work in

that, that don't operate, that aren't in London. But me living up north, it is very difficult sometimes to get in

the studio with people and be there. And it's minimum 60 to 80 pounds a ticket for a return on the trip. And

it's like, oh, just move to London. But it's like for somebody that isn't accustomed to those, prices and the

rent price and the general cost of living down there is ballistic. You know, it's crazy, like how much things

can cost. And it's to me, there is a bit of like a big difficulty that I face is, say, getting verses from rappers

and things like that which is kind of what led me to make the edit series because I had all these beats and

had nothing had no like rappers to work with them on and started putting the grime freestyles on and that's

yeah and then that attracted people to want to work with me more and the best it's always the best when

like an artist like George Ames who it would be like send him a beat and then within a few days I would get

a verse back recorded on over iMessage that was always like banging but I do understand people want tobe in the studio and you want to record with a producer but when that isn't always viable that can quickly

like shut conversations down and it's quite difficult to work with artists that would prefer that for me

personally just because I'm up north and it does cost a lot of money and time to get down there

The Kool Kat: I mean thats fair i see both sides its a win and a dissadbamtage obbiulsly you are not there

phyically but its more convient for you to get beats from them anyway

Wilfred: yeah

The Kool Kat: So thats a win

A former Kool Kat: So being from somewhere like Lancashire with like quite a quite closed mind culture,

Question 7

what would you say your first experience with like exploring grime music and like all the very first

cyphers that you looked at that like ignited your interest in grime music?

Wilfred: It sounds so weird, but I'd say it was like when I was like 13, 14, there was this one shisha bar. I

don't know, it's crazy young to be in a place like that, but we're all like skateboarders and they just let

anybody in. I was that young. I remember asking the guy, can I use a vape? in a shisha bar because you

know it's just like one of those things that you didn't know but in that I was only there a few times but I

remember physically being in one of those one time it's not there anymore it's been shut down for many

many years someone had Asteroid Boys playing on the TV which was like a Welsh grime collective

A former Kool Kat: a Welsh one?

Wilfred: a Welsh one yeah I think they're from Cardiff they're not active anymore unfortunately

A former Kool Kat: wowww

Wilfred:but they were like yeah there was one producer from there who the guy that produced them well

they were very grimy and they wore Palace they wore Supreme and it's like even before I was listening to

Tyler the Creator that these guys were like doing that kind of thing I'd never seen Palace before that you

know yeah wow oh this is cool this is you know someone up north seen that but um from that like There

was a lot of the chipmunk and bugsy beef as well in that 2015. Yeah. Me being in like year nine, year 10,

seeing that and seeing someone from like Manchester up north again, like representing that kind of side of

things. That was cool to me as well. I got into it through like Asteroid Boys and the bugsy and chip ground

beef.

The Kool Kat: Oh, bett

A former Kool Kat: All right.

Question 8

All right. So how would you say you feel about being referred to as like a mellow grime artist? Is it

something you resonate with completely or would you say there's parts of it you don't really?

Wilfred: Everyone makes a sound, you know what I mean? Every artist has their sound and what they do

and how people refer to them. That's like, I guess, other people's choice. You can't really shape or change

that. I'm thankful to even be put in something like that because it is still quite a new thing. And to be spoken

about sometimes as someone that's helped push that culture, well not culture, push that sound from the

beginning. That's very like, that's cool. I'm not sure if it's a sound I want to be going for forever. I do think

you should like believe in what you're putting out. And I do really like the Mellow Grime song, the Mellow

Grime sound. I do listen to other artists that do as well, quite a lot. Do appreciate it I do like it it's not what I

always do you know and I've been working on a project recently that's not melodrama at all it's something

completely different but it's still something I like it's a pocket of music that I do like I'm just worried about it

being too what's the word I'm looking for like

The Kool Kat: Repetitive, sorry like repetitive

Wilfred: no I'm worried about it being too oversaturated with just oversaturated to be honest I feel like it's

not shared on people that do this, but like I'm getting tagged in stories of people who were just like making

these beats. And it's like, I'm not really a fan of repeating things that I've done, or that people have done a

million times before. And it's like, cool. And if that's your practice and that's like, if you like doing this, cool.

But like, I'm worried about so much of it coming out that I mean, It already has, let's be real like, I feel like

they've already hit a breaking point with the sort of edits and the melodrama and stuff. I've still got more to

say about it and more to put out music wise, but just sonically certain things, there are certain things we're

getting a bit tired of. I mean, I don't think maybe the sound, because I'm already really well versed in that

mellow lo-fi sound, but I don't think it's at the tipping point.

The Kool Kat: Maybe the sound cause im not really well versed in the mellow lofi sound i dont think its at

the tipping point you still have so much to say and do more but like in terms of your career, because you're

very like embedded in the UK sound,

Question 9

Would you ever branch out to different countries or cultures? Would you work with an American

artist, like for example?

Wilfred: Yeah, yeah. I've been working with somebody recently who's from that side of the world. Giddy, I

think his name. Giddy has been providing me with some samples and loops and things like that. He's really

nice. But absolutely, it's like, It's not like, I do believe in pushing the UK sound forward because it is very

important. We've been doing it for a long time now and I feel like some of the most influential artists in the

world have come from the UK. So I feel like it is really, really important to keep pushing that UK sound.

More than happy to work with people from other countries though. More than happy to.The Kool Kat: I mean just keep on branching your sound and do the best you can not gonna lie im tryna

be Cool right now but you make really cool music man

Wilfred: Thank youu bro i really appreiate it

The Kool Kat: This is my first zoom interview

Wilfred: Okay

The Kool Kat: im getting new to the whole verse thing you know as the firs- uh i mean as the first guest to

come on the magazine zoom your really cool keep on doing your thing bro

Wilfred: I though the art style was crazy, i thought it was sick

The Kool Kat: THANK YOU MANNNN

Wilfred: Really different and really interesting stuff i thougt there was no way i wasnt gonna do this when i

saw that i just think its cool it was so imagitivre and diffrent its so like- you dont see that many people doing

that intemrs of interviewing stuff sometimes it could be something for an essay or

The Kool Kat: Again thank you so much for the kind words i really appereicate that

Wilfred: Of Course

The Kool Kat: Its all about being uniqe everyone that we have on the magaizne should be uniqe and

speacial and again i dont belive in mid and no one i have onboard is mid same to you bro for me i think

you sound is very cool and the first song i heard from you is “think you you you” and that song got taken off

spotify which i wont say too much about it i was really immpressed man you cant see my background

beacuse its all green but im a huge music fan my room is all full of vinlys and stuff

Wilfred: Yeah man

The Kool Kat: So I love to be immersed in that world and having you here is amazing

Time: 17:45

Wilfred: oh thank you bro i really appreciate that liteerally i made, i used to do livestreams i had like 2

viewers and i made that beat on a live stream the full thing and um i took it, it got taken down beacause of

copy right oh nah it didnt even get taken for copy right reasons i took it down, i took all of them down but

thier back up now the majority of them are back up that one went off beacuse the instumental for that one

was the that was used in “love riddems” that was a higher streamed tune i was like lemme leave that one

off but its still on youtube if you wanna download it use youtube to mp3 i dont mind

The Kool Kat: i play it almost everyday since last year ending that song was on one of my posts for

neihgbourhood kool kat last year and bro its a really good song i mean i dont think numbers count you can

make the best fucking song and it has no views doesnt mean its not the best song in the world you know

that all i gotta sayA former Kool Kat: Can I ask you a couple questions about sampling and how you feel about sampling?

Wilfred: Of course, yeah, absolutely.

Question 10

So just like going through all the volume edits, I noticed that you either juxtapose or kind of match

the nature of the mood of the sample that you chose in terms of the rapping with the backing.

Would you say this is something that you choose to do instinctually or is it more of a strategic

decision?

Wilfred: I think it's always intentional. Like, I definitely never want to leave anything to, like, was that

supposed to be there or I just leave it as accident? Like, I always want to sort of make it intentional that

that's... Yeah. I'm trying to think like people like the devil man, it's not on anymore actually, one cent, that

one got taken down as well. That one actually got taken down because of the sample. But yeah, a lot of

them are very much like, I try and juxtapose it, I try and flip it in a completely different context. That's

definitely very knowledge influenced, his music.

A former Kool Kat: Yeah, definitely.

Wilfred: It's like first year of uni, second year of uni, he's like listening and going through those, what eight

or nine volumes he's got. Like some of them really just changed my perspective on what hip hop and music

could be. And some of the samples in them are insane and just made me really think it can really be

whatever you want it to be, you know, and yeah. even as hard as some of the bars are and as brutal and

violent they are, even with like, you can whack a mellow sound on it and it can change the context of it

completely.

A former Kool Kat: Yeah, I think that's a really interesting concept that you explore because like the topics

that the rappers like discuss tend to be like really contrasting from the calm like soft beats you listen to and

it turns from like a hyper track that you might hear at a party to something that you like relax to or you might

do some work to or it just changes context a bit.

Wilfred: well I've made CDs in the past and I've had like people tell me that they wouldn't listen to like a

mist freestyle at 9am in the morning on the way to work but like yeah the ones that the devil man tune with

a lovely sample in the background makes it a whole lot easier to listen to you know on the way to work and

things like that so yeah yeah I get what you mean

The Kool Kat steps to the mic

Question 11

In terms of sampling, for someone who isn't really well versed in sampling or how to go about it,

what are the sample do's and don'ts when making music?

Wilfred: How many do you want? It's definitely subjective to like each individual producer and rapper or

whatever. But I really feel like don't make it too obvious. Don't just rip a tune and put a vocal on it and put it

out. You've got to make it your own. But in the same time, like if it is a mashup, let people know it's a

mashup. You know, there's a very fine line between the two. There's a lot of sort of like bait samples out

nowadays. I don't want to bait anybody. I'm not going to say anything.

The Kool Kat: You cant say names, but like, what do you mean bait samples?

Wilfred: So like songs that are definitely like, like if somebody sampled a TikTok sort of. Something that's

going to get them on sort of like, I don't know how to describe it. I do know how to describe it. Like if you

were to sample a tune that's going viral on TikTok now and just make it put like a dance beat over it or like

a grime beat over it, it's obviously a sort of part of that that's going to feel a bit too commercial and a bit like,

I think this is going to go off because other people have already heard it. And it's happened so many, even

with the massive wave of people doing the drill music that was all sampling, not even sampling,

interpolating old choruses and stuff from the 2010s. And that's a bit mental to me. But I feel like do's and

don'ts really are subjective to each person. It's not... It's not a law there isn't anything written down about

this you know nobody has done anything like that it really is just like for me it's just don't take the mick with

it don't sort of be too on the nose with the sample don't like Just make it your own, you know, just make it

your own.

The Kool Kat:That's fair, that's fair. I'd ask one more question. Like

Quesion 12

in your own like everyday life, what kind of music do you consume? Is it mainly rap or it's a whole

verse of different sounds?

Wilfred: No, yeah, I'm on Spotify recently. I have been liking, I don't know if you know, VEGYN, V-E-G-Y-

N.

The Kool Kat: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he's amazing.

Wilfred: Blue Moon Safari album that came out recently, a remix of that Moon Safari. Yeah, amazing.

That's probably my favourite album of the year so far. I did like James Messiah's Bounty Law album that

just came out as well. That's really good.

The Kool Kat: I'll check them out.

Wilfred: Other than that, I've been listening to a woman called ML Butch recently. ML Buch, B-U-C-H. I

might be pronouncing it wrong, but she's really good. I really liked OK Lose album as well. This is stuff that

isn't necessarily hip-hop, you know. Hip-hop.

The Kool Kat: Yeah Of course its your own tasteWilfred: OK Lose album. What's it called now? One second. Chalk Enough? Yeah, Chalk Enough. It looks

like this. Oh, it's a good album. Really good album. Okay. Yeah, obviously we spoke about King Krule . As

well. Growing up, my dad was into a lot of punk and things like that, and he put me on some more

alternative sounds that I've always been into. A guy from Preston, Rainey Miller, I've been loving his new

album. It's a bit heavy at times, but he's really been making a lot of what he calls Northern Gothic, and it's

very like, when I say heavy, it's not It's more emotionally heavy. It's not as sort of like rock and roll heavy or

like metal heavy. It's nothing like that. It really is more, you'd have to listen to it. I couldn't describe it to be

honest. Yeah, that's called Joseph, What Have You Done by Rainy Miller. Really good album. Okay,

The Kool Kat: Bett, I'm definitely checking out. After you.

A former Kool Kat : I just want to ask, so what you were saying about sampling, about how people tend to

go and look at what's popular on social media,

Question 13

would you say that people have kind of lost the quality of going and finding what really resonates

with them uniquely, rather than seeing what would get the most views and the most attention

online?

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The Kool Kat: Sorry, it happens bro sorry

Question continues

Um, so i was just wondering like are there any unique parts of the research process that you think

are like personal to you?

Wilfred: it's a really good question um i feel like things that make it personal to me it's it's so commodified

nowadays even sampling you've got platforms like tracklib and splice i'm not sure if you're familiar with

those at all

A former Kool Kat : I've heard of Splice.

Wilfred: Yeah, so Splice is like you pay a monthly membership to them, they give you 100 credits a month

on the minimum one. And it can be really useful. I'm not going to knock it and say it's If you're making

music for TV, you can't have a single sample in that. And if you do, then it needs to be cleared. So, okay,

nothing can go on TV if it's got samples in. It can be useful for things like that, for sync and publishing and

that kind of thing. You can find a BPM. You can type in your BPM, what key you're in and what you want.

Drums, bass, anything you want. Somebody's made a loop in that.

Wilfred: Sense and it is really useful for that each sample costs a credit and you get 100 a month like i

said and like i said it's really useful and it can be good for things like that but i feel like if you're making a

song from scratch it's a bit like paint by numbers that's kind of how i feel and there's also another thing

called track lib where you pay i don't really understand it i think what it boils down to is you pay a

membership you have access to these samples that they have and you Say if it's a popular one, you have

to pay a lot of money to get that license to be able to use it, like a thousand quid or more than that, you

know. And then you have like B tier ones that are like between 500 and a grand and then like C tier and Dtier that go down and down in price. So that really like to me sucks the soul out of like sampling and what,

you know, the people that made it special and showed how it could be used. Yeah. It's letting people sort of

tell it's given, I feel like it's given a lot of older generations of music a second chance and like listening

through music about what it means to you and repurposing it in a way that is meaningful. Like I said, it is

heavily commodified nowadays, but I think there are ways around that and searching for music that likes,

yeah, means a lot to you and repurposing it in a meaningful way to you.

The kool kat steps to the mic

Question 14

How do you go about your own and unique style of sampling is it through tv shows through other

um musicians or just do like some kind of unique entirely

Wilfred: it can be anything i know what i like in terms of a sample i know that i like certain without giving

like my source way too much after and i know like what certain sounds i like um whether it be like a

noughties contemporary R&B, late 90s R&B, late 90s anything, to things like video games that I grew up

playing, going back to the soundtracks and taking bits and bobs from there, as well as even the freestyles

that just add another element of personality to songs and something kind of letting the, like a song that I put

out in February time, I think, A La Boa, that's kind of like, half of Blackburn's motto, that's RT Ella Boy by

Skill and Hard, by Skill and Labour. There was a certain vocal that I used in that from a tune called North

Wheezy from a group from North West London. Obviously I'm from North West UK and I wanted to like

repurpose that into sort of be more meaningful to me by making it about, yeah, North West UK rather than

No question. - change

Passes the ball to a former kool kat

Question 15

So in that track you use a lot of electronic influences, if I'm correct. So is that something you'd like

to explore more? And are there any other unexpected sounds you'd like to integrate?

Wilfred: Definitely, I mean I've been, thank you for checking that out because I feel like not a lot of people,

A former kool kat: yeah it's really good,

Wilfred: thank you, I've got a project of stuff like that that I want to put out soon, it's just again getting cover

art as somebody that doesn't really make much from music and like I will be, I'm starting another job next

week, it's like putting, you really have to know people or like have a lot of money to put aside into things like

this that unfortunately things like rent and bills and food and getting about comes prior to that so yeah I've

got a full project of things like that that I'm trying to put out at the moment it's 90% there cover art just

needs to be done and yeah it's it I do really like I've been getting into different artists like for the past year

credit to my girlfriend and things like that and she's been putting me on to people like AG Cook who is

someone who's like spearheaded the um the rapping Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like PC music and that kind ofthing. And I thought Brat was a really good album. I really did enjoy it. And I thought it was really

unexpected for me to listen to something like that and be like, oh, people are actually doing something

different with this pop stuff now. And it's like they've been doing that for the past 10, 15 years and it's now

getting its global recognition. It's good, you know? It's not just the same. Yeah. It's not just the same stuff

that's been pumped out for the past 10 years. You know, it is different and it's refreshing. And those sort of

influences, A.G. Coke, Danielle Hall, even like Jim Legacy as well, his sort of look on like grime and like

Afro beat and kind of integrating that and even electronic influences have been really sort of influential on

me in the past with that song as well.

A former kool kat: Could you see yourself working with Jim Legacy?

Wilfred: Yeah, for sure. I definitely sent him that tune trying to be like, oh, if you want to, if you want to

jump on it or anything. Yeah, but no, I would like to work with him. He's a very cool artist and I really like

what he's been doing with all this kind of music.

A former kool kat: And like furthermore, branching out, would you see yourself putting more female

vocals on your tracks at all?

Wilfred: Definitely, definitely. I actually, the first tune off this new project has a female vocal on. I actually

got my, my girlfriend doesn't sing at all. I just think she's got a good voice and she's on the end of Ella Boy.

She's like laughing on it and she's doing like some vocal harmonies in the studio one night in Blackburn. I

was like, come here, I'm putting a tune on you. I don't care. Put these headphones on and do this. And then

she did it and it sounds really good. I actually gave her a writer credit on the credits as well because it's

funny. But yeah, definitely getting more female vocals on things.

the kool kat: Yeah it's really cool it's very very cool uh in terms of sorry one second sorry bro

Question 16

in terms of your musical outputs like do you like do you have certain goals you want to fulfill at the

end of every year or you just make music as much as you want to or is it more like a work thing

Wilfred: Yeah, as soon as in the past, I definitely struggled with those things, like whether it should be a

work thing or it should be something I just do. When I was making the edits, I wasn't making them because

I was seeing them go viral on TikTok. I was in a place where I was working full time and something that

gave me a lot of catharsis was coming home and making a beat. And then, like I said, not having a vocal

straight away to put on it. So I'd put these brand vocals on and realise, oh, this is actually hard. I enjoy

doing this, you know? And just roll them with that feeling of just being like, this isn't something I'm working

on. This is just music that I like to sort of put together. Like, I actually downloaded TikTok to put these

videos on. Like, I didn't use it at all before then. So... It's always more, it's always better for me. It's always

been healthier to me to think of it as just something I enjoy doing rather than sit down and saying, okay, this

is work you need to do X amount. But then on the other hand, thinking about it, when I put goals to myself

and being like, okay, you're going to make seven beats this week or like you're going to do a beat every

day for the next two weeks or something that has always been really productive as well. When I've really

stuck to that and yeah, it's just kind of a double-sided coin I'm not sure really it's it's it's hard to sort of I

definitely feel like I make my best music when it is something I'm just enjoying doing not focusing on too

much about the work side of it

A former Kool Kat does a slam dunk

Question 17

I was just going to ask, would you say you're someone who works on stuff for themselves as well

as stuff that you want to put out? Like, have you got stuff that's just personally for you to listen to?

Wilfred: That's a real question again.I feel like I've got bits and bobs of both. I feel like there are tunes that

I go back to and listen to myself and I wonder whether this would be good to put out. I sometimes regret not

putting more music out and it's like I just need to then, you know, but I don't always work with the idea of,

okay, this is going out, but when I sort of have a concept in mind of what I want to put together and how I

want things to sort of what points I want to get said over X amount of time. Like I do like doing that, but it is

hard to sort of let certainI do like doing that, but it is, it is hard to sort of let certain music go, I guess, I don't

know when I don't want to put it out or when it feels a bit too personal or, you know, yeah.

The Kool Kat: Sounds good. Again, thank you for coming on the interview. Love having you here and

everything. You know, it was great. It was great seeing you and telling us your creative process because

you don't get the insights from most people.

So thank you so much.

Wilfred: No worries. Well, I've got this. I've got this project and it'son Untitled at the moment. It's in its like

fourth demo.period or something but i'd love to send it to you guys just to get some ideas of what you think

about it because i'm again i'm very like touch and go whether or not to put it out or just to get feedback on

it and just yeah i'd love to send it to you guys and see what you thinkoh yeah 40 minutes or something

The Kool Kat: oh i'm so down don't worry um on the instagram bro

Wilfred: yeah i will do now but yeah thanks guys really appreciate the chat

A former Kool Kat: thank youuu

The Kool Kat: thank you and have a good day man

Wilfred: you too guys you too have a nice day

The Kool Kat: bye guys